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Thread: Object of the Week Nov 10th 2024 - NGC 507

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    Object of the Week Nov 10th 2024 - NGC 507

    NGC 507

    Arp 229

    Galaxy

    Pisces

    R.A. 01h23m39.9s

    Dec. +33°15'21" (2000)

    Magnitude: 12.50 B

    Size: 2.5' x 1.7'

    Type E-S0

    My apologies for the rather random nature of this piece but it was put together during a star party
    here in the UK which now almost always means sitting in a damp field for 7 days of total cloud
    cover and the telescope rarely coming out of the car and usually little or no internet connection.
    The NGC 507 group is the single richest group of galaxies in Pisces containing 9 NGC galaxies
    brighter than 15th magnitude. There are also a number of galaxies listed in the IC here as well.
    The chart also shows the profusion of fainter background galaxies that are probably not part of
    the group.

    ngc507cht2.jpg



    The group is part of the Perseus-Pisces super cluster and confusingly the NGC 507 group
    is also known as the Pisces cluster although this name is more usually attached to the NGC 383
    group. See http://adventuresindeepspace.com/supercl.htm for more information on the supercluster.
    The largest and brightest galaxy in the group, NGC 507, a lenticular galaxy and the BCG, was
    discovered to have faint concentric shells by Halton Arp when looking at plates taken by the
    200". He subsequently added it as Arp 299 in his catalogue of peculiar galaxies. These shells
    are now thought to be the product of ancient mergers. NGC 507 is also an AGN and seems to
    have radio lobes associated with it. Recent radio observations appear to show that there are
    ancient lobes from previous outburst from NCG 507 and they are distorted by gas sloshing
    around in the cluster. The group was also included in the VV catalogue of interacting galaxies as
    VV 207. The majority of the bright galaxies in the group including NGC 507 were discovered by
    William Herschel in 1784.

    ngc507pan.jpg

    NGC 508 is not part of Arp 229 despite some sources suggesting it is. The description by Arp is
    quite clear what Arp 229 is. Although they are quite close in angular terms on the sky it is not
    clear that NGC 508 is actually physically associated with NGC 507. It is suggested that NGC 499
    just to the north may form a double system with NGC 507 and there are two subgroups in the
    cluster associated with the two galaxies.

    The group does show a number of small sub-structures in its central core which suggests that it
    may still be in the process of accreting other smaller groups of galaxies and has not yet reached
    its final state. NGC 499 appears to be at the centre of a second peak in the X-Ray halo and may
    be the central galaxy of another group merging with the NGC 507 group. Unfortunately, it is not
    possible to say which way NGC 499 is moving. The main part of the group is in the form of a chain
    but there are a number of galaxies off the side of this chain as well. The group would appear to be
    at a distance of 63 Mpc, 230 million light years, and forms part of the main filamentary ridge of the
    Perseus-Pisces super cluster that also contains the Abell clusters 262, 347 and 426.

    Visually this is a stunning group. The brightest members should be visible in a 22cm telescope but it
    is with larger telescopes that the true beauty and number of galaxies in the field is really shown. The
    whole group will fit in the medium power field using a modern hyperwide (100 degree AFOV) eyepiece,
    but is perhaps best observed with higher power to bring in the fainter galaxies in the group

    There is a nice amateur image of the group at https://delsaert.com/wp-content/uplo..._lrgb_crop.jpg.

    As always give it a go and let us know what you see
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    NGC 507, with an 18" at 332x: "Fairly bright galaxy near a magnitude 9 star. The center is fairly bright and condensed. Adjacent is NGC-504 and 508."
    NGC 508: "N of NGC-507. Softer and fainter than NGC-504 (non-Herschel object)."
    NGC 504: "Adjacent to NGC-507. Small, easily discernible, even brightness." [With a 20" at 282:"Slightly elongated"]
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    These members of the NGC 507 group were all observed using my 24-inch on the same night in October 2013 at a California star party.

    UGC 862 = PGC 4810
    01 20 13.1 +33 30 23; Psc
    V = 13.9; Size 0.7'x0.7'
    Fairly faint, slightly elongated, 30"x25", small brighter nucleus. At the NW end of the NGC 507 group.

    IC 1673 = PGC 4855
    01 20 46.3 +33 02 42
    V = 14.1; Size 0.5'x0.5'
    Fairly faint, round, 18" diameter, contains a bright core and very small halo. Located 6' NE of a mag 9.8 star. CGCG 502-044 lies 7' NE. Situated on the SW side of the NGC 507 Group.

    CGCG 502-043 = PGC 4883
    01 21 05.6 +33 22 44
    V = 14.3; Size 0.6'x0.5'
    Fairly faint, round, 18" diameter. Located 3.7' SE of a mag 10 star (wide double). IC 1677, a very low surface brightness dwarf irregular, lies 10' S and IC 1680 is 11' SE.

    IC 1677 = PGC 4891
    01 21 07.1 +33 12 58
    V = 15.2; Size 1.0'x0.7'; PA = 129°
    Extremely faint, round, 18" diameter, very low surface brightness with no core. CGCG 502-043 lies 10' N and IC 1680 is 10' NE.

    CGCG 502-044 = PGC 4910
    01 21 17.5 +33 05 26
    V = 14.4; Size 0.5'x0.4'
    Fairly faint, small, round, 15" diameter. A mag 12.3 star is 1' SSE. IC 1673 lies 7' SW and IC 1677 is 8' NNW.

    CGCG 502-047 = PGC 4936
    01 21 34.9 +33 36 01
    V = 14.7; Size 0.7'x0.5'; PA = 15°
    Faint, round, 15" diameter, low surface brightness, no noticeable nucleus. Located 6.5' NW of NGC 483.

    IC 1679 = PGC 4944
    01 21 44.6 +33 29 37
    V = 14.7; Size 0.7'x0.5'; PA = 50°
    Very faint, very small, elongated 3:2 SW-NE, 20"x14". Located 2.9' SW of NGC 483.

    IC 1680 = PGC 4956
    01 21 51.2 +33 16 57
    V = 14.3; Size 0.7'x0.6'; PA = 103°
    Fairly faint, round, 15"-18" diameter. Situated 1.5' N of a mag 9.8 star and 4' NW of mag 8.8 HD 8216. IC 1682 lies 4.8' ESE.

    NGC 483 = PGC 4961
    01 21 56.3 +33 31 17
    V = 13.2; Size 0.7'x0.7'; Surf Br = 12.4
    Fairly bright, round, 30" diameter, high surface brightness, increases gradually to a small bright

    PGC 169764
    01 22 00.9 +33 30 35; Psc
    V = 15.0; Size 0.45'x0.3'; PA = 68°
    Extremely faint, round, 8" diameter. Located 1.2' SE of NGC 483 and 1.5' due W of a mag 10.2 star.

    IC 1682 = PGC 4983
    01 22 13.3 +33 15 37
    V = 14.0; Size 0.9''x0.4'; PA = 120°
    Fairly faint, elongated 3:2 NW-SE, 24"x16", weak concentration. Located 2.1' NE of mag 8.8 HD 8216. IC 1680 lies 4.8' WNW. Located 18' due W of NGC 507.

    NGC 494 = PGC 5035
    01 22 55.4 +33 10 26
    V = 12.9; Size 2.0'x0.8'; Surf Br = 13.2; PA = 100°
    Moderately bright, elongated 5:2 WNW-ESE, 50"x20", large bright elongated core. A mag 15.5 star is at the south edge [16" from center]. A wide pair of mag 13.5 stars lie 1.4' SW and a similar star is 1.4' SE.

    NGC 495 = PGC 5037
    01 22 55.9 +33 28 18
    V = 12.9; Size 1.3'x0.8'; Surf Br = 12.9; PA = 170°
    Moderately bright, elongated 3:2 N-S, 30"x20", contains a small bright core. Bracketed by two 14th magnitude stars 1' SSW and 1' NNE.

    IC 1685 = PGC 169771
    01 23 06.6 +33 11 22
    V = 15.3; Size 0.4'x0.3'
    Very faint, round, 10" diameter. Situated just 2.5' NE of NGC 494 and 4.6' WSW of NGC 504.

    NGC 498 = PGC 5059
    01 23 11.3 +33 29 22
    V = 15.0; Size 0.5'x0.5'
    Very faint, slightly elongated, 15"x12", low surface brightness. Located 1.8' N of NGC 499 and 2.4' S of NGC 496, on a line between the two brighter galaxies. This is perhaps the faintest NGC galaxy in the NGC 507 Group.

    NGC 499 = PGC 5060
    01 23 11.5 +33 27 37
    V = 12.2; Size 1.6'x1.3'; Surf Br = 12.9; PA = 82°
    Fairly bright, elongated 4:3 WSW-ENE, 60"x45", well concentrated with a very bright core.

    NGC 496 = PGC 5061
    01 23 11.6 +33 31 48
    V = 13.3; Size 1.6'x0.9'; Surf Br = 13.5; PA = 28°
    Moderately bright, elongated 2:1 SSW-NNE, 0.9'x0.45', low fairly even surface brightness with a weak concentration. but no distinct core. Located in the NGC 499 subgroup of the NGC 507 Group,

    IC 1687 = PGC 5074
    01 23 19.2 +33 16 40
    V = 13.6; Size 0.5'x0.3'; PA = 5°
    Fairly faint, round, 12" diameter. Located 1.6' SE of mag 7.6 HD 8347 and 4.5' WNW of NGC 507. A mag 13.8 star is just 30" W.

    NGC 501 = PGC 5082
    01 23 22.4 +33 25 59
    V = 14.5; Size 0.4'x0.4'
    Fairly faint, slightly elongated, 20"x15", very small brighter nucleus. Located 2.8' SE of NGC 499 and 1.8' SW of a mag 11.3 star.

    NGC 504 = PGC 5084
    01 23 27.9 +33 12 16
    V = 13.0; Size 1.7'x0.4'; Surf Br = 12.6; PA = 47°
    Fairly bright, elongated 5:2 SW-NE, ~40"x16", strong concentration with a very bright elongated nucleus and faint extensions. Located 4' SW of NGC 507.

    NGC 503 = PGC 5086
    01 23 28.4 +33 19 55
    V = 14.3; Size 0.4'x0.3'
    Fairly faint, slightly elongated, 20"x15". Two mag 13.4/13.8 stars 0.6' SE and 1.1' SE are collinear with the galaxy. Located 4' NE of mag 7.6 HD 8347 and 5' NNW of NGC 507.

    NGC 507 = PGC 5098
    01 23 40.0 +33 15 22
    V = 11.2; Size 3.1'x3.1'; Surf Br = 13.5
    Bright, round, 1.5' diameter, sharply concentrated with a blazing core that increases to the center. The outer halo gradually fades out, so there is no distinct edge, but just beyond the halo on the north side is NGC 508 (1.5' between centers).

    NGC 508 = PGC 5099
    01 23 40.6 +33 16 51
    V = 13.1; Size 1.3'x1.3'; Surf Br = 13.6
    Fairly bright, round, broad concentration with a brighter nucleus. Forms a close pair with NGC 507 1.5' S in the central region of the NGC 507 Group.

    PGC 5100
    01 23 41.6 +33 12 10
    V = 15.2; Size 0.25'x0.25'
    Faint, round, 10" diameter, stellar nucleus. This compact member of the NGC 507 Group is situated 2.9' due E of NGC 504 and 3.3' S of NGC 507!

    PGC 5102
    01 23 43.2 +33 24 59
    V = 15.4; Size 0.4'x0.25'; PA = 170°
    Very faint, slightly elongated, 15"x12", very low surface brightness with no core. Located 7' SE of NGC 499 and 6' NNE of NGC 503. PGC 5102 is misidentified as NGC 510 in the RNGC and this error is copied into the PGC and Megastar.

    CGCG 502-072 = PGC 5129
    01 23 58.5 +33 18 48
    V = 14.3; Size 0.4'x0.3'; Surf Br = 12.0
    Fairly faint, round, 18" diameter. Forms the eastern vertex of a triangle with two mag 12/12.5 stars 1.4' W and 1.4' SW. NGC 507/508 is ~5' SW.

    IC 1691 = PGC 169777
    01 24 25.8 +33 24 25
    V = 15.2; Size 0.5'x0.3'; PA = 123°
    Very faint, round, 12" diameter. Located 4.0' WSW of NGC 517 and 4.8' SW of NGC 515.

    NGC 515 = PGC 5201
    01 24 38.6 +33 28 22
    V = 13.5; Size 1.4'x1.1'
    Moderately bright, elongated 3:2 ~NW-SE, ~36"x24", fairly well concentrated with a bright core. A mag 15.7 star is superimposed on the NW side. Forms a pair with NGC 517 2.9' SE.

    NGC 517 = PGC 5214
    01 24 43.8 +33 25 47
    V = 12.4; Size 2.0'x1.0'; Surf Br = 13.0; PA = 20°
    Fairly bright, elongated 2:1 SSW-NNE, ~45"x22", well concentrated with a bright core. Forms a pair with NGC 515 2.9' NNW.
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    Hi All, I observed this group in 2020 in France, here is my note and drawing from that night:

    NGC 507 and NGC 508 are in the center of the group, pretty close to each other. The halo enveloping 508 is not visible. NGC 507 is brightest and largest, it’s round can be seen easily. NGC 508 just N of it is still pretty bright, small and round and with no central brightening. NW is NGC 503 and this one is very small, dim and can only be seen with AV. SW is NGC 504 and this is the second brightest of the group, to be seen with direct vision. The shape is round and compact. The protrusions are not observed. Two more dim galaxies enrich the field; MCG +05-04-048 (also CGCG 502-72) is very small and dim and can only be spotted with difficulty. IC 1687 was observed as a dim star; it’s very small (only the core was seen) but not too difficult with AV. This is a nice and rich Arp group.

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    Here are my observations of the NGC 507 group. My descriptions are decidedly shorter than Steve's! I used my 20" in the night of Sept 8, 2016, from Southern France.

    NGC 499: At 320x very bright, stellar nucleus, elongated, faint outer regions.

    NGC 498: At 320x compact, small, slightly brighter central region.

    NGC 495: At 320x fairly compact, slightly oval with the major axis at 20 degrees inclined to the line between two stars in between which lies the galaxy.

    PGC 5026: At 320x elongated, faint, very faint stellar nucleus.

    NGC 483: At 320x compact, round, stellar nucleus with two bright stars next to it.

    NGC 496: At 320x fairly large, stellar nucleus, very faint outer regions.

    LEDA 169772: At 320x very thin and elongated.

    PGC 4936: At 320x oval, fairly large, slightly brighter central region.

    LEDA 169770: At 320x faint, stellar nucleus

    IC 1679: At 320x large, thin, oval, slightly brighter central region.

    LEDA 169774: At 320x small, compact, stellar nucleus, faint.

    NGC 501: At 320x stellar nucleus, slightly oval, faint outer regions.

    NGC 507: At 320x compact, round, round central region.

    NGC 508: At 320x very large, very faint outer regions, oval central region.

    NGC 504: At 320x oval, fairly central oval region with a stellar nucleus.

    NGC 517: At 320x elongated, stellar nucleus, compacter than NGC 515 and the major axis lies perpendicular to that of NGC 515.

    NGC 515: At 320x elongated, reasonably large, stellar nucleus, a star superimposed, points towards NGC 517.

    PGC 5100: At 320x even compacter and smaller than IC 1690, stellar nucleus.

    IC 1690: At 320x very compact, stellar nucleus, slightly oval. Not as compact and small as nearby PGC 5100.

    NGC 503: At 320x in a line with two stars, compact, slightly elongated, stellar nucleus.

    NGC 494: At 320x reasonably elongated, fairly large, thin but no needle, stellar nucleus, right next to the nucleus I see a faint star.

    IC 1687: At 320x very bright stellar nucleus, faint oval halo.

    PGC 5129: At 320x fairly compact, oval central region with a stellar nucleus.
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    I can contribute a sketch with an 8-inch under rural skies.

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