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    NGC 7640 - as perceived by AI

    NGC 7640
    UGC 12554

    Galaxy

    Constellation: Andromeda

    RA: 23 22 6.7
    DEC: +40 50 43

    Class: SB(s)c
    Mag: 11.3
    Size: 11.6’ x 1.9’

    (Disclaimer: As some members may know, I am very active in the realm of cybersecurity as my business partner and I help companies secure their proprietary and customer data. One tool we use regularly is AI. I was curious about how would AI go about writing an OOTW. So, for this week and this week only, I wanted to have a little fun and change things up. This OOTW was written completely by ChatGPT 4.0. I did not edit a word of its response. Please provide your observational notes as usual, but also, a little feedback about how well (or poor) you feel AI wrote this week’s post. I’m very curious. Thanks and clear skies! -Dragan)

    NGC 7640, a striking barred spiral galaxy, was first documented by astronomer William Herschel on October 17, 1786. Located in the constellation Andromeda, this galaxy sits approximately 34 million light-years away (NASA Extragalactic Database). With its elongated shape and subtle structure, it’s often considered one of the more interesting edge-on galaxies in the northern sky, though it’s lesser-known than its neighbor the Andromeda Galaxy (M31). Early observations classified it as a peculiar galaxy due to its irregular features, but later studies revealed a more complex structure influenced by gravitational interactions (de Vaucouleurs & de Vaucouleurs, 1964).

    Over the years, NGC 7640 has contributed to our understanding of galactic morphology and the effects of tidal interactions. Studies suggest that NGC 7640 may have experienced gravitational influences from nearby galaxies, distorting its spiral arms and creating regions of star formation within its structure. Observations of this galaxy have provided valuable insights into how interactions with other galaxies can shape a galaxy's appearance and behavior, supporting theories on galaxy evolution and the impact of minor mergers. NGC 7640 thus serves as a compelling example of how galaxies adapt and transform over time due to their environments (Gallagher et al., 1984).

    Observers using telescopes of varying apertures will experience different views of NGC 7640 under moderately dark skies. Through a 10-inch telescope, NGC 7640 appears as a faint, elongated glow, with a central bulge that’s barely detectable. With a 15-inch scope, the galaxy’s structure becomes more apparent, showing hints of its bar and elongated arms. The brighter core is easier to identify, and a subtle granularity hints at star-forming regions within. Through a 25-inch telescope, NGC 7640 reveals even more detail; its irregular arms and faint bar stand out, and seasoned observers may catch glimpses of faint mottling along the disk, which hints at the galaxy’s complex, disturbed morphology.

    In summary, NGC 7640 is a captivating object for amateur astronomers, especially those interested in galaxies with unique morphologies. Although it lacks the fame of larger, brighter galaxies, it provides a rewarding challenge for observers and a useful case study in galactic evolution and morphology. Whether viewed through a smaller telescope or studied with a larger aperture, NGC 7640’s elongated shape and intriguing features make it a memorable target (Sky & Telescope).

    As always, “Give it a go and let us know!”

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    NGC 7640 as perceived by A.L. with a 13" at 70x back in 1991: "Mottled glow amongst faint stars. Elongated. Hard to see where it ends." The mottledness is due to the AI's description of star forming regions.
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    I remember this galaxy as being somewhat disappointing in my 6" Newtonian telescope because I always hoped to see more of it than an oval glow. With my 20" from Southern France 8 years ago I logged:

    At 320x large, elongated, a bright central region, no stellar nucleus, the central part along the major axis is curved with the north part curving east and the south part curving west, the southern part is difficult to see, the northern part has stars superimposed and a few knots in the galaxy. Very impressive!
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    Hi, here's my observation from 11/8/2009: ngc 7640 is a galaxy in Andromeda : mag: 11.3 ; size: 8.1' x 1.7' ; elongated and rather faint ,brighter central area and mottled edges. I used a 10mm Radian at 198x with my 14.5 StarStructure f/4.3ngc 7640.jpg
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    With my 24-inch...

    At 200x; bright, nearly edge-on 4:1 N-S, ~6.5'x1.5'. Very asymmetric appearance with a brighter, elongated core, ~1.0'x0.5', which is oddly angled NNW-SSE to the major axis. A mag 14 star is just off the SE side of the core. The galaxy dims more noticeably on the south side, but is brighter along the western half [DSS shows this is a long spiral arm]. A mag 11 star is just west of the northern end of the galaxy [3.1' NNW of center] and two mag 15.5 stars at the north tip are collinear with the mag 11 star. The northern half of the galaxy is also asymmetric with a slightly brighter strip (arm) extending N-S and a very low surface brightness (outer arm) near the mag 11 star. Additional mag 11 stars bracket the galaxy just west of the S end and 1.8' NE of center.

    At 375x; an extremely compact HII knot (less than 10" in diameter) was glimpsed just 25" SW of a mag 12.8 star [measured 3.7' SSE of center].
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    I recorded several observations.
    Smallest one was with a 99mm spotting scope. While I missed the galaxy under soso conditions, NGC 7640 was clearly visible under good transparency as a ghostly 3:1 glow with many stars around and gave a wonderful view.
    The 27" scope under High Alpine skies shows much more detail, beginning with the tight spiral arms to some HII regions.

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