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    Observation of Dracula’s Chivito (IRAS 23077+6707

    Dracula’s Chivito
    IRAS 23077+6707
    RA 23 09 43
    DEC +67 23 40
    Type Protoplanetary Disk
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    Early this morning just before the start of astronomical twilight I observed the protoplanetary disk IRAS 23077+6707. I was surprised at how small it appeared in my finder eyepiece it looked like a fuzzy star. The conditions were excellent with great transparency and seeing. I was able to use 1040X with rock steady stars. At 1040x I was able to see that it was elongated. I was also surprised as to the high surface brightness of the main disk. I could also see the nebula going near the star on the left. I only caught the dark lane twice and can not count it as a positive.
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    I was not able to see Dracula’s fangs to the north and at the time I did not know to look for them. I also could see in the main disk stellar points that would come and go with the seeing. I am not sure what this is or if it is real. I plane to contact the author of a recent paper and ask about the knots I was seeing. I think with the high surface brightness of the main lobe it would be visible in many scopes. I will keep at it to see if I can see the fangs and stellar knots again.
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    Thanks for your report, Jimi. Glad to hear that you saw some size to it. I saw it in early February shortly after the paper on it was published. It was so low in the sky that I was forced to use my 16-inch. With it, it looked like a 14.2-magnitude star. I fully expect to nab it with my 6-inch later this year when things cool off around here.

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    Congratulations on perhaps being the first to nab this one and see some structure!

    The discovery paper ("Dracula's Chivito: Discovery of a Large Edge-on Protoplanetary Disk with Pan-STARRS") lists the apparent size as ~11" (ignoring the 'fangs') and states "An optical spectrum indicates that the obscured star is hot, most likely of type late A." So, this is apparently another Herbig Ae edge-on system like PDS 144N though larger than Gomez's Hamburger. In fact, the authors estimated the hot star is surrounded by a disk of diameter 3300 a.u.! (using a distance of ~300 pc or just under 1000 l.y.)
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    Akarsh enhanced a PanStarrs g band Image that show the knot that I have been seeing over the last several nights. Last night I tried a Sloan G filter and it made the knot easier to see. It is interesting that the lead author on a recent paper “Kristina Monsch” is not aware of the knot in the lobe. I wonder what it is. The search continues.

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    I took a look at Dracula's Chivito with my 28-inch f/4.1 last night. I was using a 4.5mm Morpheus which delivers about 650x magnification.

    It appeared like an elongated fuzzy spot with an elongation at between -15° or -30° position angle east of north, i.e. NNW-SSE. On about three occasions, I may have sensed a "split" in that same direction of its elongation, as though it was a tight double star, but it was so weak I can't be sure—I can't make sense of what this could possibly be, if at all real. A faint star was seen to about 90° PA, i.e. due east. One other observer on the field also confirmed its diffuse nature looking through my scope. Hand-tracking at 67° declination was not bad even at this high power. I wish I had carried my 3.5mm Pentax so I could try higher power.
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    This past Sunday night (8/11) Larry Mitchell and I observed the Chivito at our dark site near Columbus, Tx. SQM 21.0. Excellent seeing. Scope was an 18" f4.5. Easy star hop from Iota Cep. Is the third star in a triangle of fainter stars. In my finder eyepiece (10mm Ehtos, 200x) was easy to recognize as a fat star, compared to the other two. With my 3.7 Ethos was easy to see as an elongated nebula with no structure. I tried to see Jimi's bright spot, no joy.

    At the end of September we will be at our central Texas dark site with better observing conditions. Will give it a go with my 25" and a friends 30".
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    Yes, there are only three known Herbig Ae edge-on systems, DraChi is the largest, diameter actually 3300 au (300 pc x 11 arcsec), 1650 is the radius.

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    I finally got two shot on the little guy.

    My first try was under good transparency and very good seeing here on my general observing site at the Alpine foothills.
    I wrote: with high magnification the object shows as a clearly bend banana shaped object; there were several spots within the main banana, beside the main spot in the middle I count two more at each end of the banana; the faint extension to northeast was on the limit at perception, it first came out as a fussy appendix and in moments of good seeing it was visible as a single object; the star to the east was easy and direct vision, the second star to the north was at the very limit and only pops in and out of view a few times

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    Last weekend I used the new 41" telescope of my friend Jörg under average transparency and seeing but dark skies. The peaks in the main banana were also visible for two co-observer, one could only see two peaks, I identically three peaks; the extension was also visible but I missed to see the very faint star at the north
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